Grover Tune Keys

[Ron Wendler]

I bought an 10 string PSG and it said it had Grover tuning keys on it. Are they supposed to be a good brand? These were all falling apart and I have 10 tuners all in pieces.

[Steven Black]

So sorry to hear that Ron, there are some that might be aftermarket, you can try to fix them, but that could be futile, best thing to do is buy them from Stewart McDonalds and pay the cost, that way you are getting high quality keys.

[Eric Dahlhoff]

Do the tuners actually have "Grover" written on them?
Maybe they are cheap nock-offs.
I don't think I've ever had any Grovers fall apart or otherwise fail.

[Dennis Detweiler]

MSA used 12-1 Grovers for many years. I never had any trouble with them. You can now get 18-1 Grovers which make it easier to tune more accurately.

[Bobby D. Jones]

Grover say they have lifetime warranty. I do not know if those particular keys would qualify. May want to check with Grover if they are genuine Grovers.

Be careful if you order replacement keys. I played a MSA Classic S10 with Grovers for years. Had major problems with 2 of the keys. I ordered, 2- 6 key sets of 1-18 ratio keys to replace keys.
Great idea.
Looked like a simple job. When it is time to change strings, Change keys too. WRONG.

The holes drilled in the key bars was 3/8" (.375).
I guess Grover, To compete in world trade market.
The new keys took a 40mm or 25/64" (.390 drill.). Had to remove both key head bars and drill the larger holes for keys.
MSA had used larger head, Self tapping screw as the little side lock screw. The head of the screw would not clear the 1-18 gear housing.
The screws not showing any sign of being hardened. I chucked 1 of the screws in my lathe. When the cutting bit touched the screw, It broke the point off the lathe bit. That is how I found the screws were hardened. I had to chuck and turn all 10 of the side screws in lathe. And grind the screw head diameter down, With a Dremel tool and a grinding wheel, To fit proper.
Be sure to check key housing diameter, And side lock screws for fit.
Been there, Done that, And have the scars to prove it.
Good Luck in project, Happy Steelin.

[Dennis Detweiler]

I had to remove the key head and re-size the holes also. But it all worked out ok and love the 18-1 ratio on one of my U-12 MSA guitars. My other guitar (1976) still has the original Grovers.

[Dave Grafe]

Do the tuners actually have "Grover" written on them?
Maybe they are cheap nock-offs.
I don't think I've ever had any Grovers fall apart or otherwise fail.

Real Grovers are practically indestructible, but can become problematic if the screws holding them together get too loose. This applies to most humans as well

[Ron Pruter]

I've actually seen Clover tuners-junk! My Grovers are good tuners . The company stands behind their products . RP